20250512

Getting into a rabbit's hole and - maybe - getting out: Emacs Make Compile (EMC)

In the past years I fell form one rabbit's hole into another. For the first time in a rather long time, I feel I am getting out of one.

First of all let me tell you what I produced. I built the "Emacs Make Compile", or "Emacs Master of Ceremonies", package EMC. Soon it will be available in melpa. The EMC package is a wrapper around compile.el that allows you to semi-transparently invoke make or cmake from Emacs. Either on UN*X, MacOS or Windows.

Once you have loaded the emc library in the usual ways, you can just issue the Emacs command emc:run (yes: Common Lisp naming conventions). The command is just the most general one available in EMC; other ones are the more specialized emc:make and emc:cmake. Emacs will then ask you for the necessary bits and pieces to ensure that you can run, say, make. The README file included in the distribution explains what is available in more details.

Where did it all begin?

Why not stick with compile.el? Because it does not have "out-of-the-box" decent defaults under Windows. At least, that was my original excuse.

I fell into this rabbit's hole coming from another one of course.

Some time ago, I started fiddling around with Emacs Dynamic Modules. I wanted to compile them directly from Emacs in order to "simplify" their deployment. Therefore, I set out to write a make function that would hide the compile setup.

Alas, I found out that, because of the necessary setup, invoking the Microsoft Visual Studio toolchain is not easy before you can get to cl and nmake. That was not all that difficult as a problem to solve, but then I made the mistake of learning to cmake. You know; to ensure that the building process was "more portable". The basic machinery for make and nmake worked to also get cmake up and running. But then I made another mistake: I started to want to get EMC to be usable in the "Emacs" way: at a minimum getting interactive commands working. That got me deeper and deeper in the rabbit's hole.

At the bottom of the hole (yep: I got there!)

I found out many things on my way to the bottom. That is, I learned many things about the Emacs Lisp ecosystem and wasted a lot of time in the process. I never was a fast learner. All in all, I think I can now say two things.

  • Making a command, i.e., an interactive function is not trivial, especially if your function has many arguments. Bottom line: your Emacs commands should have *few* arguments. I should have known better.
  • The Emacs widget library is woefully underdocumented (which, of course, brings up the question: why did you want to use it?)

In any case, what I was able to concot is that hitting M-x emc:make does what you expect, assuming you have a Makefile in the directory; if not you will be asked for a "makefile", say stuff.mk to be used as in

make -f stuff.mk
or
nmake /F stuff.mk

Issuing C-u M-x emc:make will ask you for the "makefile", the "source directory", the "build directory", "macros", and "targets".

In what other ways could I have wasted some time? By coming up with a widget-based UI! (See my previous post about DeepSeek and the widget library). The result can be invoked by using the command emc:emc, which pops up the window below.

Getting out of the rabbit hole by popping the stack

I kind of consider EMC finished. I am pleased by the result; it was fun to solve all the problems I encountered, although the code is not exaclty nice or nicely organized. Is EMC useful? Probabiy not so much, but I have the luxury of wasting hacking time. I just hope somebody will like it: please try it out and report bugs and suggestions (the minor mode and associated menu need work for sure, as well as emc:emc).

Having said so, I can now go back to play with Emacs Dynamic Modules, which is where I was coming from. After being satisfied with that, I will be able to climb back up a bit more from the rabbit's hole; that is, I will be able to go back to the magiciel library (which kind of works already). You may ask why I am writing magiciel, but you will have to reach down several levels in the rabbit's hole.

In any case, I finished one thing. It's progress.


'(cheers)

20250424

Emacs Lisp Programming with DeepSeek: A New Widget

The Emacs widget library is useful; alas its guts are ... semi-documented and most of its inner working a bit mysterious. I wanted a column widget where I could insert and remove a few "line-like" widgets. The editable-list widget does not cut it (too many extra things: the INS and DEL buttons) and the group widget is too inflexible.

After too much time trying to understand all the intricacies of the widget library (see my rant in my previous blog post, which perfectly applies in this case) I asked DeepSeek to help me out. The result, the dynamic-group widget (after several iterations and mistakes on part of DeepSeek) is below. It works satisfactorlly, although it could be improved by anybody with a better understanding of the widget library. What is does is to manage a colimn of line-like widgets adding and removing from the end of the :children list. Check the demo-dynamic-group for a test run.

It has been fun. Although I still want a better widget! That's why I am posting this for anybody to pitch in. Any help is welcome.

BTW. There still are some warts in the code. Can you spot them?

;;; -*- Mode: ELisp; lexical-binding: t -*-
;;; emc-dynamic-group.el
;;;
;;; `flycheck-mode' does not like the above.  `flycheck-mode' is wrong.

;;; Code:

(require 'widget)
(require 'wid-edit)


(define-widget 'dynamic-group 'default
  "A container widget that dynamically manages child widgets in a column."
  :format "%v"
  :value ()
  :tag "Dynamic Group"
  :args nil
  
  ;; Core widget methods
  :create (lambda (widget)
            (let ((inhibit-read-only t))
              (widget-put widget :from (point))
              (dolist (child (reverse (widget-get widget :children)))
                (widget-create child))
              (widget-put widget :to (point))))

  :value-get (lambda (widget)
               (mapcar (lambda (child)
                         (widget-apply child :value-get))
                       (widget-get widget :children)))
  
  :value-set (lambda (widget value)
               (widget-put widget :value value))
  
  :value-delete (lambda (widget)
                  (dolist (child (widget-get widget :children))
                    (widget-apply child :value-delete)))
  
  :validate (lambda (widget)
              (let ((children (widget-get widget :children)))
                (catch :invalid
                  (dolist (child children)
                    (when (widget-apply child :validate)
                      (throw :invalid child)))
                  nil)))
  )


(defun dynamic-group-add (widget type &rest args)
  "Add a new widget (of TYPE and ARGS to the WIDGET group."
  (let ((inhibit-read-only t))
    (save-excursion
      (goto-char (widget-get widget :to))
      (let ((child (apply 'widget-create (append (list type) args))))
        (widget-put widget
		    :children (cons child (widget-get widget :children)))
        (widget-put widget
		    :to (point))
        (widget-value-set widget
          (cons (widget-value child) (widget-value widget)))))
    (widget-setup)))

  
(defun dynamic-group-remove (widget)
  "Remove the last widget from the WIDGET group."
  (when-let ((children (widget-get widget :children)))
    (let ((inhibit-read-only t)
          ;; (child (car children))
	  )
      (save-excursion
        (goto-char (widget-get widget :from))
        (delete-region (point) (widget-get widget :to))
        (widget-put widget :children (cdr children))
        (dolist (c (reverse (widget-get widget :children)))
          (widget-create c))
        (widget-put widget :to (point))
        (widget-value-set widget
			  (mapcar 'widget-value
				  (widget-get widget :children)))
        (widget-setup)))))

  
(defun demo-dynamic-group ()
  "Test the dynamic-group widget."
  (interactive)
  (switch-to-buffer "*Dynamic Group Demo*")
  (kill-all-local-variables)
  (let ((inhibit-read-only t))
    (erase-buffer)

    (widget-insert "* Dynamic Group Demo\n\n")

    ;; Now I create the `dynamic-group'.
    
    (let ((group (widget-create 'dynamic-group)))
      (widget-insert "\n")

      ;; The rest are just two buttons testing the widget's behavior,
      ;; invoking`dynamic-group-add' and `dynamic-group-remove'.
      
      (widget-create
       'push-button
       :notify
       (lambda (&rest _)
         (dynamic-group-add group 'string
			    :format "Text: %v\n"
			    :value (format "Item %d"
					   (1+ (length (widget-get group :children))))))
       "(+) Add Field (Click Anywhere)")
      
      (widget-insert " ")
      
      (widget-create
       'push-button
       :notify (lambda (&rest _)
		 (dynamic-group-remove group))
       "(-) Remove Last")
      
      (widget-insert "\n"))

    ;; Wrap everything up using the `widget-keymap' and `widget-setup'
    ;; functions.
    
    (use-local-map widget-keymap)
    (widget-setup)))


(provide 'emc-dynamic-group)


'(cheers)